Then there were nine

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Re: Then there were nine

Postby mcha9797 on Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:50 am

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It's hard to see in the picture, are there 18 or 19 cams/circuits in the EF-20?

19 signal circuits plus the toggle and interval cams.



Here I go with my 100 questions again. :Phil:

So with the extra circuits (compared to my Type F) these controllers would have enough circuits for left turn clearance in both directions?? Would that be a typical setup for the EF-20?? Can ped buttons be connected to this controller, or is it pretty much the rule that you can't use them on an E/M controller.

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Re: Then there were nine

Postby TacomaJoe on Wed Mar 06, 2013 8:33 am

So with the extra circuits (compared to my Type F) these controllers would have enough circuits for left turn clearance in both directions?? Would that be a typical setup for the EF-20?? Can ped buttons be connected to this controller, or is it pretty much the rule that you can't use them on an E/M controller.

The limit on these is more the 12 intervals rather than the number of circuits. A 2 phase with peds uses 8 intervals, leaving only 4 more.

Ped buttons or vehicle detectors can be hooked up to these. One way is to stop the dial on the R1 key in main street green and wait for the actuation to break the R1 circuit. Another is to open the GRN (release) key and the cam will stop on main street green waiting for detection to close the release circuit. Keep in mind that peds and vehicles work the same intervals so you can't get a vehicle without the ped unless there are more relays involved.

What do you normally do with the retired electro-mechanical signal controllers?

We retired about 30 of them in 1999-2000. The cabinets were repurposed as tool lockers or such or ended up in the metal salvage. We have maybe 10 of them around the shop still, saving them for parts. When these last 10 are out of service, we won't have any need for parts and they will be surplused out. City rules prevent me from "stealing" them, including dumpster diving. I have skirted the rules at times and traded say an old hot water heater for an equal weight of signal junk. New city manager is on a massive surplus campaign to clean up the city so we'll see what that means to our shop.
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Re: Then there were nine

Postby mcha9797 on Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:55 am

My 100 questions continue...... :roll: tell me when to shut up!!

looks like these two cabinets have different timers on the door and I notice that one of the timers is located on the back panel instead of the door. What do these different timers do??

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Re: Then there were nine

Postby TacomaJoe on Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:15 am

What do these different timers do??

The time clock on the door switched dials for the morning progression in this case, or alternatively for night time flash operation. The Eagle cycleflex timer next to the clock is part of the all red pre-emption circuit. The first step of the PE starts the 4 second timer which pulls in a couple of the 3-pole relays on the panel. The green outputs from the controller normally go to the green field posts but during this 4 second period the relays switch the output to the field yellow post. Which ever phase would be showing a green, will now switch to yellow. After the timer ends, another set of relays ties the field reds to AC and lifts the others.

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There is a diagram in MediaFire that I had scanned. The relay and timer arrangement varies in the cabinets.
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Re: Then there were nine

Postby mcha9797 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:10 am

mcha9797 wrote:My 100 questions continue...... :roll: tell me when to shut up!!

looks like these two cabinets have different timers on the door and I notice that one of the timers is located on the back panel instead of the door. What do these different timers do??

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Looking at the two pictures again, I notice that the cabinet's look diferent. One has the Eagle emblem cast in the door and the other does not, are they both EF-20's, and is one older than the other?
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Re: Then there were nine

Postby TacomaJoe on Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:27 am

One has the Eagle emblem cast in the door and the other does not, are they both EF-20's, and is one older than the other?

We have 24",32", 36" and 48" Eagle cabinets. The 24" with the cast eagle is older I think, all of them were installed about the same time. The taller cabinets aren't cast but rather sheet material welded up.
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Re: Then there were nine

Postby mcha9797 on Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:34 am

Would the green box be the flasher, and what do all of the relay switches do?


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Re: Then there were nine

Postby TacomaJoe on Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:48 am

Would the green box be the flasher

Yes, the green box is the flasher; solid state replacement for the mechanical that came with the cabinet originally. The relay above the flasher is standard for night time flash. One pole lifts power to the signal buss so all the lights go out. The two other poles connect main street yellow and side street red circuits to the flasher.

I gave a quick explanation of the other 3-poles relays earlier in this thread. I was thinking that I did a video on the operation but it's not popping up in my memory or photobucket.
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Re: Then there were nine

Postby RunsWithCrouse-Hinds on Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:52 am

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What do these different timers do??

The time clock on the door switched dials for the morning progression in this case, or alternatively for night time flash operation. The Eagle cycleflex timer next to the clock is part of the all red pre-emption circuit. The first step of the PE starts the 4 second timer which pulls in a couple of the 3-pole relays on the panel. The green outputs from the controller normally go to the green field posts but during this 4 second period the relays switch the output to the field yellow post. Which ever phase would be showing a green, will now switch to yellow. After the timer ends, another set of relays ties the field reds to AC and lifts the others.

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There is a diagram in MediaFire that I had scanned. The relay and timer arrangement varies in the cabinets.


Joe, is the diagram on the new Signal Archive site? I looked for it briefly but didn't find it, wasn't sure what it was called or where it was filed. I'd like to do this with my EF-20 master cabinet someday, though I'll have to find a different Cycl-Flex timer, the only one I have times in HOURS, not in seconds :crazy: .
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Re: Then there were nine

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