GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

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GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby Sky Chief on Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:05 am

Information about the Streamline is somewhat scattered on the forum and time consuming to go through. I thought I'd see if we could consolidate information about the Streamline into one thread that would be easier for others to find. Please feel free to correct me where I'm wrong and I hope you guys don't mind me including quotes from some of your older posts.

GE called it "the traffic industry's first major redesign in a generation" as well as a "major step forward in simplified, functional design". Most collectors call it the "Streamline" while others refer to it as the "Roundbody". I am not sure what GE's official name for the signal was and I have only seen GE refer to it in their own literature as their "lightweight" signal. The Streamline is a very unique signal not only in it's appearance, but construction as well. It's roundness definitely stands out among a collection of square body lights(decos, flatbacks, etc). Yet, it is a very simplistic design featuring very parts(compare the number of screws and fasteners on this light to a typical signal from that period). The signals are so light and simply, yet they seem to have held up well in service. I knew the first time I saw one that I'd like to someday have one in my collection. So here is my new acquisition.

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PRODUCTION:

GE applied for a patent on the light on December 22, 1955 and the patent was granted on June 12, 1956. The light was produced by GE until Econolite took over the GE traffic signal line in 1957. It does not appear production continued under Econolite, however, some believe that Econolite would later base the design of their 12" Bulleye light on the Streamline. Streamlines only came in 8". Streamlines were very common in Baltimore, MD with the lights there having tunnel visors for the red/yellow sections and cutaway visors for the green. Most of the remaining ones in Baltimore were removed around 2005/06 during a changeover to LED lights.

Here is a link to a post by Tony (Buttoncopy) with a photo of the patent application:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1271&p=9671&hilit=streamline#p9671
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Here is a link to a post by EdT. with original advertisements by GE featuring the lights:
viewtopic.php?f=28&t=3864&p=39121&hilit=streamline#p39121
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CONSTRUCTION:
The light is made of stamped aluminum as opposed to cast aluminum used in other lights. This led to the light being much lighter than competitor's offerings with GE's stating that the light weighed 45% less.

SNAP ON DOOR ASSEMBLY
The door is composed of the visor, a ring and the lens. The back of the visor is bent into a flat flange that allows it to be held on by a ring that also holds the lens. It is all held together by a single screw. The doors snap onto the body. GE stated, "Snap on door and lens assemblies simplify and lessen your maintenance problems".

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REFLECTOR AND GASKET

The aluminum reflectors are held in the body section by a tall rubber gasket. They are removed by twisting the gasket to the left a few degrees.

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Text on the gasket reads: "TO REPLACE <-- TURN --> TO REMOVE"

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This photo shows the terminal strip as well as how the body sections attach to each other.

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SOCKET:

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VISORS:

The lights came with several different types of visors.
1. Cutaway type similiar to CH & Eagle ones were most common.
2. Cutaway that is the same length but with noticable thinner side profile.
3. Tunnels
4. Plus, Willis has one with short 5" Cutaway that appears to be factory made vs. being cut down. (viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5951&p=73007&hilit=streamline#p73007)

LENSES:

They came with Kopp brick lenses embosed with the GE logo with likely the most common being marked "TL 4655". There were several different patterns of the brick lenses with that same number on it some of which may not have seen use in the Streamline. Jay says Streamlines also came with MGN style lenses. They would not have came from the factory with Halophane "Spiderweb" lenses as they predated the Streamline.

Here is a discussion by Steve (somuchtoseeanddo) about different types of GE brick lenses:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9765&p=126518&hilit=ge+brick+lenses#p126518
somuchtoseeanddo wrote:I have identified 3. Some simply say on the rim, KOPP GLASS on the top and 8 3/8 on the bottom. Others have all the Swissvale, PA, 4655, etc. Anyone have a timeline or additional information? Fogive me, please if this is something which has already been covered.

Same as the Econolite patten:

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Seems to be an exclusive:

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A bit like the Marbelite TA-19418s:

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Here is another discussion by Easy about the various types of GE brick lenses:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1586

Easy wrote:Here are a few different patterns of Ge lenses. I found out many years ago that not all GE lenses were the same pattern when I sold a set of mismatched lenses to a member! :crazy: You have to set them side by side to see the difference on some of them.
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Easy wrote:They're all TL-4655's, but some of them come with numbers, and some come without numbers. I'm having a problem with the lenses that I'm selling. The members don't understand that even though they are all TL-4655's there are different patterns. I need to know what pattern, and if they have numbers on them or not so the lenses can match the ones that they have..


PAINT COLORS:

Yellow(this appears to have been the most common color)
The lights in the above GE advertisements appear to either be black or dark green.
Does anyone know what all colors the lights came in from the factory?

MOUNTING AND MISCELLANEOUS HARDWARE:

The lights have 1 1/2 inch openings for mounting. I have seen the question asked before, but no clear answer as to what the correct gooseneck hanger for these lights are. I'm not sure that GE designed any new mounting hardware specifically for this light, however it would seem that they would've as they touted the light as being a revolutionary design. What was the typical GE hardware from this period used on their other lights? Did the Streamline have a special weather cap?

Does anyone have a GE catalogue from the 1955-1957 period?

As I said before, feel free to correct the above info and please add any information or photos that you may have. Lets see your Streamlines as well as those still in the wild.
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby 69-cat on Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:25 am

I have 2 of these signals now but this was this style light was the very first signal I had and it did come right from the warehouse in Baltimore city. Many many years ago, I gave it to a brother of a girl I was dating. His has since passed it on as well. My signals that I have now did come from the city but the visors were replaced because of damage and they are all tunnel style. I would like to replace the bottom visors with the cut aways to bring them back to the correct config. I have aways asked about the hanger and I think the closest that we have come to is a hanger number PKC 164. This came from a signal from Mike in Germantown MD. I plan to cast a mold of this hanger if it is a rare piece?
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby signalstand on Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:14 am

Mine came with a backpanel that appears to be a factory original
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby LarryC39 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:43 am

Thanks Chief! Excellent PAL work.

I think they were produced as early as 1954, overlapping the "stamped aluminum "Canadian style" reflector in the conventional GE signals.

I too have one of the "last Baltimore streamlines."

The weatherplug was a very thin profile hex nut with slight dome to it. Section joining rings were also a special keyed design.

This is as good a time as any to introduce my newest acquisition. 20+ year service GE Streamline flashing beacon out of Findlay Ohio. They last re-hung it 20 years ago, now that the road was repaved it was deemed excess and stop signs took its place. The sign brackets and signs were backlightable via a downlight, what's really cool though is the plastic signs aren't painted, they're glued on individual raised letters!

I think that cluster H/W may be shop made as well. It's a "box" with a gooseneck mounted on it, and four side-of-pole style box arms bolted to it. I've never seen bolted cluster hardware before (well, not since the CH wagon wheel days.)

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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby jab8356 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:17 am

I have 2 of these. One with all cutaways and one with extra long tunnels. Here are a few pics...
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This is the cluster as seen on eBay that my signal with the cutaways came from.
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby signal man619 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:47 am

I need one of thoses :cray:
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby LarryC39 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:19 pm

Based on Jerry's photos, either his signal is a Findlay one too, or that hardware wasn't shop-made.
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby jab8356 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:20 pm

That auction was a LONG time ago, I have no idea anymore where it came from.
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby SignalLab on Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:24 pm

Chief Jason...Great thread and GREAT job on your post-very informative and willl make it much easier for those seeking additional info on these neat signals to find!
I will post some picts of mine when I get back in town. :thumbsup:
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Re: GE Streamline (aka: Roundbody) Weekly Pick-A-Light 6/17/2012

Postby Sky Chief on Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:25 pm

The hardware appears to be the same in the GE advertisement:

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and also appears the same on this light in Nevada that Willis had posted:
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1357&p=10610&hilit=streamline+cluster#p10610

Nevada Willis wrote:Until last year there was only two signals and two beacons in the entire county. Now we have a whopping three signals. But the closest one to me is across the county line in Storey County.,, "C" (SR-341) and Taylor Streets in Virginia City. This Streamline used to be a 2-color, converted to a beacon.

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