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Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby RunsWithCrouse-Hinds on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:36 pm

As some of you know, and others have seen me allude to, I have been working on gathering the parts and pieces to assemble a California-inspired two-way Econolite setup in my back yard recently. Here are some pictures of my progress so far...

Econolite type F cabinet, sanded and ready for paint. My lovely wife sanded this thing for me, took her several hours! It was painted a sort of hunter green by the previous owner, but that paint was starting to chip so I decided to start over. It looks like this cabinet was once black.
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2013-07-27 14.00.51 by dbsound06, on Flickr

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2013-07-27 14.00.58 by dbsound06, on Flickr

Looks like it was also olive green at some point, with yellow primer perhaps?
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2013-07-27 14.00.44 by dbsound06, on Flickr

The slipfitter was a NOS unit which I sanded down, as it was still shiny powdercoat black. The top cap is not exactly the right size, but it works all right. The 12" pipes are brand new, but the elbows (and all the other parts) are reclaimed. Elbows are marked "WARD".
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2013-07-27 14.01.13 by dbsound06, on Flickr

The flanges are mismatched in brand but look virtually the same -- one is Band-It brand, from Denver CO, the other is some other variety. Elbows are Econolite branded. Once again, pipe is new.
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2013-07-27 14.01.18 by dbsound06, on Flickr

Primer applied. I was disappointed overall in the quality of both the Krylon primer and the Italian Olive green spray paint I bought. The primer didn't spray, it just sort of splattered, and it seemed that some of the paint cans had a similar problem. I'm not sure if the cans had a defect, or if the paint was just really old (bought at Wal-Mart). It's also not super durable, as the later pics will show.
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2013-07-27 15.22.31 by dbsound06, on Flickr

Primed cabinet. You can see how splotchy the paint is. It also didn't disperse very well, hence the "tiger stripes" on the back.
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2013-07-27 15.22.52 by dbsound06, on Flickr

More primed parts. The controller banding brackets were purchased new from Alloy Castings. They're pretty good quality, but I was not super happy with the precision of the threaded mounting holes, more on that later...
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2013-07-27 15.22.59 by dbsound06, on Flickr

I forgot to take more pictures of the painted parts, but in the mean time, late last week I got some Band-It banding and buckles from eBay, and tested them out with my tool, also from eBay. The process is actually pretty easy -- the tool is both a tensioner and a cutter.
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2013-08-01 16.39.02 by dbsound06, on Flickr

(Slightly fuzzy) closeup of the tool at work. The "nose" at the front of the tool is also where the cutting blade is. The grooved part in the middle of the tool has a grip inside to hold onto the banding. The banding goes through both slots, then the handle part is screwed down, which pulls the banding outward. When the proper tension is achieved, you just push the long lever at the bottom of the picture outward to cut off the excess, then use a hammer to bend the leftover "tab" over the buckle. I did find that there is a bit of finesse to this -- too much tension and you can break the buckle :shock: , and if you don't make sure to bend the tool out perpendicular to the buckle before you cut it off, it can loosen before you get it fastened down, and there is no way to start over once you've cut off the end. (The tool tends to want to pull itself parallel to the banding as you work on it.)
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2013-08-01 16.39.12 by dbsound06, on Flickr

Closeup of the front (cutting) edge of the tool levered against the buckle.
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2013-08-01 16.39.20 by dbsound06, on Flickr

On Sunday, I finally put the Band-It tool to work, and mounted the cabinet to the pole. I was careful to line it up such that I could still mount a ped button in the existing holes on the pole. You can also see the rest of the painted parts waiting for the signals to arrive.
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2013-08-04 17.00.10 by dbsound06, on Flickr

Overall the paint turned out all right, but it's not very durable. I put on 3-4 coats of paint alone over the course of a few days, and it has cured for at least 5 days before I mounted it all, but I can still easily knock the paint off.
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2013-08-04 17.00.34 by dbsound06, on Flickr

Closeup of some paint carnage. In this case, the banding was not quite in the groove as I got it up to tension, so it slid along the bracket and stripped off the paint with it.
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2013-08-04 17.00.47 by dbsound06, on Flickr

Back of controller, showing the banding holding the brackets. I'm glad I'm not OCD enough to try to line up all those buckles, the way the banding works you can't really slide it around once you start adding tension, so you pretty much just have to go with wherever it lands. And yes, I'm leaving the graffiti -- it adds character!
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2013-08-04 17.00.57 by dbsound06, on Flickr

My thoughts so far:
-Krylon paints are not very high quality. I know others here have used the Italian Olive green paint from Krylon, I'd be interested to hear their thoughts. If I ever repaint this stuff, I will definitely just use a brush.

-Band-it can be tricky, but it's not terribly difficult, and I think I only have about $100 invested in 100' of strapping, 50 buckles (all 3/4"), and the tool combined. I like it because when I will need to move this pole, I can just cut all the straps and reassemble at its new location.

Later this week I hope to get the condulet installed -- I bought the wrong size hole saw the other day. Turns out the "diameter" of electrical conduit has nothing to do with its actual size. :Phil: 2" conduit turns out to have an OD of about 2.4", so I have to go exchange the 2" hole saw for a 2.5" one, and I also have to go to Graybar to get the conduit nipples -- no one else local carries ones that size for some reason.

I'm still waiting patiently for the signals to get shipped to me, but once they get here I will have everything I need to get this all wired up! Then, once I get my neon ped all working, I'll likely add it to this pole. I'll have to get some more signal arms to mount it first though, I've basically used up all of my spare hardware on this project.

More to come later this month!
Dan B.
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Econolite Control Products, Inc.
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby pyth on Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:58 pm

Cool stuff! Rustoleum carries a clear spray in both gloss and matte if you want to try putting a few coats of that over the Krylon, that way you can keep that neat color. I'd look into putting some kind of grout in the small gap where the brackets meet the pole, just to keep it all as sealed as possible. :thumbsup:
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby RunsWithCrouse-Hinds on Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:07 pm

pyth wrote:Cool stuff! Rustoleum carries a clear spray in both gloss and matte if you want to try putting a few coats of that over the Krylon, that way you can keep that neat color. I'd look into putting some kind of grout in the small gap where the brackets meet the pole, just to keep it all as sealed as possible. :thumbsup:


Yeah, I may look into putting some of that spray on at least the cabinet. I want the paint to weather, but not just fall off!

In terms of the gaps, those brackets don't carry any wiring into the pole, it's all just mounted on the surface. I will have to seal around my condulet though, since the pipe nipple will be slightly smaller than the hole in the pole, and I don't think I'll have any way to seal it with hardware (at least not that effectively).
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby steven1981 on Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:26 pm

Looks good. :good:
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby coyttl on Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:28 pm

Hey Dna -
Looks good!
Did you want another Band-It mount? I think I may have one. I remember seeing 'Denver, Colorado' on it (since family lives out there..).
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby RunsWithCrouse-Hinds on Mon Aug 05, 2013 3:39 pm

coyttl wrote:Hey Dna -
Looks good!
Did you want another Band-It mount? I think I may have one. I remember seeing 'Denver, Colorado' on it (since family lives out there..).


Possibly...let me see what I can find out here at the contractor's place. I'm not super picky since I will hardly ever see them that close anyway. Thanks!
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby SirMarbelot on Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:00 pm

I love the look of really old, decorative and ornate stuff, as well as the not-quite-so-old, clean-looking things like that cabinet. It just looks so sharp...I could stare at the danged thing for an hour with a drink in hand.
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby notMUTCDcompliant on Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:00 pm

Love it.... now I want to do this!
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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby khardy on Mon Aug 05, 2013 5:35 pm


Hi Dan,

Nice set up you have going. Like that you are putting all this up outdoors in your yard. Enjoying the photos of how you are putting it all together. Keep those coming.

Cheers!

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Re: Backyard Econolite Pole Setup

Postby BigTbird1974 on Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:47 pm

RunsWithCrouse-Hinds wrote: And yes, I'm leaving the graffiti -- it adds character!


:clapping: :thumbsup: :clapping: :thumbsup: :clapping: :thumbsup: :clapping:

OH, H*LL YES!! Love that pole (and base) JUST like it is!! I can't wait to see this all continue to come together!!

:drool: :drool: :drool:
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