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by **Sargent_Sowell** on Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:18 pm

Hi,
Below are two pictures of my 16" Winkomatic pedestrian signal. I am currently gathering materials to begin the restoration process. To give you a little history of this signal, I know for a fact that it was installed in New York City in the late 1980's or early 1990's. It has had atleast two coats of paint added. It was painted a dark yellow when i recieved it, but that is peeling, and under it you can see the bright yellow paint, that you will see on modern NYC pedestrian signals. The signal is in fairly good shape, but needs some "touch-ups'.

ANYWAY- to get to the point, I am going to re-paint it and wondered what color you all think might fit well. I was thinking a dark green or black. comments?

Picture of the signal:

by **Troy** on Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:21 pm

I have the same one in "off-the-street yellow, it's the only yellow signal I have and looks good in that color. It'll look good in yellow, dark green or even satin black :good:

by **Sargent_Sowell** on Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:25 pm

Troy wrote:I have the same one in "off-the-street yellow, it's the only yellow signal I have and looks good in that color. It'll look good in yellow, dark green or even satin black

Thanks for the feedback, and those are the exact colors i was thinking :good:

Dark green is my first choice, then black. I was thinking of going with the traditional NYC color, since that is where its from. anyway, ill post pics of it when its done. although that may not happen for a couple weeks. I'm very busy! :blink:

by **Easy** on Wed Jul 18, 2012 11:43 pm

Troy wrote:I have the same one in "off-the-street yellow, it's the only yellow signal I have and looks good in that color. It'll look good in yellow, dark green or even satin black

I used to paint my signals with school bus yellow. It's not to bright, and has a slight tint of orange.

by **steven1981** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 12:48 am

Fine lookin' Winkomatic. I, too, own one in my collection. Although it came from somewhere outside of New York City (somewhere within the state of New York I presume). The original version of the pedestrian signal in the city of New York looked nice prior to when the L.E.D. conversion invaded the city back in the Summer of '99.

The New York City Winkomatic pedestrian signal shared the "classic yellow" (somewhat similar to catepillar yellow I suppose), which was quite common. It was, however, also black there. Black makes it look sleek, but I personally prefer that particular shade of yellow for the pedestrian signal.

Sargent_Sowell wrote:To give you a little history of this signal, I know for a fact that it was installed in New York City...

Does it have a marathon terminal block in the housing? From what I understand, New York City signals and signal controllers generally use marathon terminal blocks, since it seems it has been a standard requirement there for a long time.

by **Sargent_Sowell** on Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:22 am

steven1981 wrote:Does it have a marathon terminal block in the housing?

Yes, I believe it does. I will take a look later.

by **Sargent_Sowell** on Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:09 pm

steven1981 wrote:Does it have a marathon terminal block in the housing?

No it does not actually. I checked today, then contacted the person who sold the signal to me and he said he took it out and replaced it with a controller from lights to go. Anyway, I started restoring the signal today. My parents said that they would bring their sand blaster over to my house, but never did, so I was forced to use my little sander that I own. It took FOREVER, but I was able to get half of it sanded, and I'll do the other half tomorrow. There will be pics soon!

by **steven1981** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:08 am

Sargent_Sowell wrote:
steven1981 wrote:Does it have a marathon terminal block in the housing?

No it does not actually. I checked today, then contacted the person who sold the signal to me and he said he took it out and replaced it with a controller from lights to go.

Well, that's too bad. At least you know, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if your pedestrian signal was actually replaced by a G.T.E. P-6 pedestrian signal at one time or another (maybe in the 1990s).

Good luck with the restoration project. I can't wait to see the final product.

by **Sargent_Sowell** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:24 am

steven1981 wrote:
Sargent_Sowell wrote:
steven1981 wrote:Does it have a marathon terminal block in the housing?

No it does not actually. I checked today, then contacted the person who sold the signal to me and he said he took it out and replaced it with a controller from lights to go.

Well, that's too bad. At least you know, though.

I wouldn't be surprised if your pedestrian signal was actually replaced by a G.T.E. P-6 pedestrian signal at one time or another (maybe in the 1990s).

Good luck with the restoration project. I can't wait to see the final product.

Yes, the person who sold it to me said it was taken out of service in 2000, when the LED conversion took over the city. Something must've been "wrong" with the signal for them to replace the whole signal. But I don't know. The person who sold it to me had it until 2009, and I've had it ever since. I really don't know why they would've taken it out of service. There is nothing cosmetically wrong with it, so maybe a controller issue...? But anyway, thanks! I will post pictures soon.

by **steven1981** on Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:59 pm

One possible reason that the pedestrian signal was originally removed from service is that there was an issue with the wires that were connected to it.

There is this issue (amongst solely pedestrian signals) that has been fairly common to see throughout New York City for as long as I could remember. Perhaps you may remember, since I believe you once mentioned somewhere here on the forums that you are originally from New York City. It is in regards to both indications ("DONT WALK" or the hand and "WALK" or the walk man) that are lit at the same time ("WALK," "DONT WALK," or during the flashing clearence).

Signals from there were originally controlled by electro-mechanical signal controllers, but they were rarely the culprits. I say this because only one pedestrian signal would fail at the signalized intersection. It eliminates the signal controller, because, if it was the culprit, then the other pedestrian signals that are wired to the given terminal section in the cabinet would be affected as well.

From what I have noticed over the years, the city's response is to replace the entire pedestrian signal with a brand new one. It is still the city's solution to this day. Although they sometimes replace the actual L.E.D. module insert (might be faulty, since most in the city date back to the conversion) in the signal housing.

In regards to the pedestrian signal, G.T.E.'s P-6 pedestrian signal in New York City was commonly installed at newly built signalized intersections back in the 1990s to early 2000s. It also replaced the Winkomatic pedestrian signal. I recall several that were replaced in my borough that I grew up in sometime in the 1990s.

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