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Also, regarding the issue of doing FYA by TOD...I'm purely guessing right now since I don't have an ASC2 in front of me, but couldn't you alter the ring structure and put in some dummy phase like phase 9 that would run concurrently with phase 6, for example, then set the overlap to be permissive on phase 9 rather than 6, then omit phase 9 by time of day to do protected-only? Permissive-only is easy, just omit phase 1.

-Dan

New Idea!: Use overlap-by-phase up such that phase 2 consists of phase 2 and 9, and phase 6 consists of phase 6 and 10. THEN, set OLA and OLB to flash green, and assign OLA to phase 9, and OLB to phase 10. THEN, under normal operation, FYA will work as expected, and when you want protected ONLY, you can OMIT phase 9 or 10. Brilliant? I think so! Hope it actually works, someone should try it out!

-Dan

RunsWithCrouse-Hinds wrote:New Idea!: Use overlap-by-phase up such that phase 2 consists of phase 2 and 9, and phase 6 consists of phase 6 and 10. THEN, set OLA and OLB to flash green, and assign OLA to phase 9, and OLB to phase 10. THEN, under normal operation, FYA will work as expected, and when you want protected ONLY, you can OMIT phase 9 or 10. Brilliant? I think so! Hope it actually works, someone should try it out!

-Dan

I've been meaning to try it out the way Mike is doing it, because i'm using relays for all my FYA.. because, one of the cities in the initial FYA testing did it exactly this same way with their ASC/2. I use a relay to kill the FYA when protected mode comes on, and another to do the TOD control.. Esp since Econolite specifically told me there's no 'normal' way to do the FYA on the ASC/2... So either we're doing something they don't realize they can do, or we're doing it in a completely 'no complaint' way... I'm in the middle of getting everything set back up, so i haven't been able to test it myself....

Dan B,
0x09 the last 4 bits are for 1hz flashing overlaps.

sorphin wrote:Dan B,
0x09 the last 4 bits are for 1hz flashing overlaps.

Hmm, didn't notice that in the document, but whatever. And by "last 4 bits", do they/you mean 8, 2, 4, and 1, or 16, 32, 64, and 128 (in terms of binary)? I haven't been quite sure which direction the Econolite write-protect stuff goes. So basically, 00001111 for all flashing greens, or 11110000?

-Dan

RunsWithCrouse-Hinds wrote:

sorphin wrote:Dan B,
0x09 the last 4 bits are for 1hz flashing overlaps.

Hmm, didn't notice that in the document, but whatever. And by "last 4 bits", do they/you mean 8, 2, 4, and 1, or 16, 32, 64, and 128 (in terms of binary)? I haven't been quite sure which direction the Econolite write-protect stuff goes. So basically, 00001111 for all flashing greens, or 11110000?

-Dan

Well, in this case... you have 0-7... this would be 4-7 it'd be: 11110000

and actually it's 0x009:

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0x009 Controller
Maryland fast flash (5 Hz) on overlap A on a per phase basis.
Overlap “A” green will flash @ 5 Hz when it is green during the following programmed phases.
Bit 0 = Phase 9
1 = Phase 10
2 = Phase 11
3 = Phase 12
Bits 4 - 7 are used to flash the standard overlap greens at the
rate of one hertz
Bit 4 = Overlap A (flash the OLA green at the 1 PPS)
5 = Overlap B (flash the OLB green at the 1 PPS)
6 = Overlap C (flash the OLC green at the 1 PPS)
7 = Overlap D (flash the OLD green at the 1 PPS)


So i tested your FYA setup finally last night... Found some issues..

It works.. -if- you have 1 FYA... but not if you have a pair, like you'd normally see..

I have 1/6 and 2/5.

if i set it up the way you say, when 5 goes protected, the FYA on 1 turns off and the light is red. and vise versa. So far, no tweaking of protected/permissive fixes that.

sorphin wrote:So i tested your FYA setup finally last night... Found some issues..

It works.. -if- you have 1 FYA... but not if you have a pair, like you'd normally see..

I have 1/6 and 2/5.

if i set it up the way you say, when 5 goes protected, the FYA on 1 turns off and the light is red. and vise versa. So far, no tweaking of protected/permissive fixes that.

.. I'm confused. All the FYA's I've seen, if the thru (6) has to turn red because the opposing left (5) goes green, the close left (1) will go red as well.

Is this not how it a FYA is supposed to act?

--Mike.

All the FYAs around here... least that i've seen (and hence how my original setup works)...


You have protected green on 5... the FYA on 1 is well... flashing yellow arrowing.
You have protected green on 1... the FYA on 5 is well... flashing yellow arrowing.

The only exception is if both were protected at the same time, which isn't the case here, since they do lead/lag turns.

coyttl wrote:

sorphin wrote:So i tested your FYA setup finally last night... Found some issues..

It works.. -if- you have 1 FYA... but not if you have a pair, like you'd normally see..

I have 1/6 and 2/5.

if i set it up the way you say, when 5 goes protected, the FYA on 1 turns off and the light is red. and vise versa. So far, no tweaking of protected/permissive fixes that.

.. I'm confused. All the FYA's I've seen, if the thru (6) has to turn red because the opposing left (5) goes green, the close left (1) will go red as well.

Is this not how it a FYA is supposed to act?

--Mike.

sorphin wrote:All the FYAs around here... least that i've seen (and hence how my original setup works)...


You have protected green on 5... the FYA on 1 is well... flashing yellow arrowing.
You have protected green on 1... the FYA on 5 is well... flashing yellow arrowing.

I tried this last night -
I do not get this. I get 'normal' behaviour:
Say both 2 & 6 thrus were being serviced, rest in green. Phases 5 and 1 are FYA.
I place a call on phase 1.
Phases 2 and 5 go yellow, then red. Phase 1 stays FYA.
Phase 1 goes green.
Phase 1 then goes yellow, then red.
Phase 2 goes green, phase 5 goes FYA, phase 1 goes FYA.

From looking at your result, I think you have two phases crossed -
In the overlap screen for 'A' (which is phase 1 above, concurrent with 6), it needs to have PROTECTED for phase '1' and PERMISSIVE for phase '6', not 2.
Ini the overlap screen for 'B' (which is phase 5 above, concurrent with 2), it needs to have PROTECTED for phase '2', and PERMISSIVE for phase '5', not 1.

--Mike.

I'll recheck against yours again.. What i was saying below is what is actually in active use around here by County as well as my original set up.

coyttl wrote:

sorphin wrote:All the FYAs around here... least that i've seen (and hence how my original setup works)...


You have protected green on 5... the FYA on 1 is well... flashing yellow arrowing.
You have protected green on 1... the FYA on 5 is well... flashing yellow arrowing.

I tried this last night -
I do not get this. I get 'normal' behaviour:
Say both 2 & 6 thrus were being serviced, rest in green. Phases 5 and 1 are FYA.
I place a call on phase 1.
Phases 2 and 5 go yellow, then red. Phase 1 stays FYA.
Phase 1 goes green.
Phase 1 then goes yellow, then red.
Phase 2 goes green, phase 5 goes FYA, phase 1 goes FYA.

From looking at your result, I think you have two phases crossed -
In the overlap screen for 'A' (which is phase 1 above, concurrent with 6), it needs to have PROTECTED for phase '1' and PERMISSIVE for phase '6', not 2.
Ini the overlap screen for 'B' (which is phase 5 above, concurrent with 2), it needs to have PROTECTED for phase '2', and PERMISSIVE for phase '5', not 1.

--Mike.